Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:00 AM): Good morning all.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:02 AM): Hi Pat

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:04 AM): Entered the room.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:04 AM): re Lorilyn

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:04 AM): Good morning everyone!

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:04 AM): Hi Jonathan. Pretty quiet this morning without Rob.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:04 AM): So how are we going to survive with out Rob today? What's on the agenda?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:05 AM): Does anyone have any issues they'd like feedback on?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:05 AM): Or a brainstorming session

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:06 AM): I do. I need a programmer who can fix some CDONTS email forms. I need two forms tweaked and my budget is about $50. Know anyone?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:06 AM): Lorilyn - try http://www.rentacoder.com

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:06 AM): Jonathan, thanks!

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:06 AM): So does anyone need anything brainstormed?

John Charlesworth (BellaCoola.com Professional Web Tracking) (9/16/2002 9:06 AM): Entered the room.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:07 AM): Apparently there are four of us.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:07 AM): Lorilyn - it's scandalous how cheaply the bidders are willing to work for...but there you go

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:07 AM): Hi John. What's on your mind?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:09 AM): Jon, yes, it is scandalous, but it works for me.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:09 AM): I had a goofy business idea...wonder if it's worth pursuing

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:10 AM): Jonathan, can you share it? (Sharing is sometimes not good, IMHO.)

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:11 AM): Jonathan... what does it involve?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:11 AM): Lorilyn - something between an email coach and a virtual assistant - for those who can't communicate well in email - act as an intermediary and edit outgoing emails for them.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:13 AM): It sounds like that would fall under a "virtual assistant" but specializing in e-mail communications.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:13 AM): yep

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:14 AM): Do you think there is a market for it?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:14 AM): I guess one would have to be on the case 24/7, or at least 12/7

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:15 AM): probably not...people are usually unwilling to admit they can't write well

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:16 AM): Entered the room.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:17 AM): Do you think you can convince people to use your service?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:17 AM): hi Frederick

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:17 AM): Hey guys

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:18 AM): Pat - no, that would be the problem.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:18 AM): Anyway, I'll just lurk...

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:18 AM): Who's in the hot seat, or is this a free-for-all?

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:19 AM): Jonathan - I would do some more reach before perusing the idea then,

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:19 AM): Frederick - it's a free-for-all.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:20 AM): Jonathan, you seem to be talking about what I would describe as a Business Coach - is that it?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:21 AM): Frederick - more like a communications coach

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:22 AM): Hmm - very narrow focus

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:22 AM): I could see selling that rather difficult, eh?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:22 AM): exactly

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:23 AM): Would it be easier to sell the concept of Business coach and concentrate on communications?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:24 AM): I don't think I have the background to be a business coach

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:24 AM): Sorry, Jonathan, can you repeat your idea. I digressed going to rentacoder.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:25 AM): Lorilyn - oh I don't want to monopolize the discussion

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:25 AM): Jonathan, anybody can be a coach. Jonathan, monopolize away...

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:26 AM): If you don't have the background to be a business coach, what makes you think you have the background to be a communications coach if the subject of the communications will be business?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:26 AM): Go to Coachville and you'll see what a hot thing coaching is.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:26 AM): You can be a Communications Coach. There is a need, I think.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:27 AM): Frederick - because I have a business background and a background in writing and editing - but not sufficient experience to coach others in how to improve their business

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:27 AM): True, Lorilyn - good idea

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:27 AM): Years ago, on AOL, I coached a doctor who wanted to write an opinion piece for his local newspaper... He paid me $1,000!!!!

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:27 AM): And I was doing it for nothing!

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:27 AM): woo!

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:27 AM): Jonathan, you can focus on what YOU want to offer. Focus on what you are, not what you aren't.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:28 AM): I think one of the fallacies about coaching is that the coach has to be better than the coachee - not true!

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:28 AM): *nod* - it's an intriguing concept

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:28 AM): Do you think Tiger Woods has a coach?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:28 AM): In this economy, we all have to think differently. It's a huge change for us...

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:29 AM): Because I find myself leaning in that direction and wonder if I could become a Business Coach, myself.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:29 AM): Jonathan, there is a coaching discussion list, too. A good one. I subscribe, though I don't coach. Email me info@newsbuzz.com and I'll send you info.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:29 AM): ok, Lorilyn, I will :)

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:30 AM): I think of this as the Great Depression. Years later, we'll look back and see how our entire society has changed. It's like we were all walking along a nice country road and a Mack truck came out of nowhere. WHAM.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:31 AM): So we now have to be more creative than ever before to survive.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:32 AM): So how is everyone else doing?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:34 AM): Wake up.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:35 AM): Jonathan, help me monopolize.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:35 AM): How do you think the society will change, Lorilyn

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:35 AM): I'm hanging in there. Thanks for asking. I'm playing the spectator at the moment.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:37 AM): Frederick, we all wanted the American dream and most of us got it. Now it's slipping away. This is true in the high tech areas. People in other areas don't have a clue as to what's going on.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:38 AM): Unemployment insurance lasts only so long. Then what? Thousands of people are in the "Now what?" stage.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:38 AM): Lorilyn - So true.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:38 AM): They've been told for the past decade computers was the way to go. It isn't. What now?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:38 AM): Sorry I was away for a second

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:39 AM): From what I understand, now more people are trying to start their own business or go back to school.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:39 AM): I don't disagree, but that's now - how will the future be different?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:39 AM): This is really a huge turnaround. When was the last time the middle class was faced with financial ruin?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:39 AM): The next economy will be the service economy, no?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:39 AM): The future will be different. Expectations will be lower.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:39 AM): Yeah, I can't believe they're still playing those TV commercials for technical schools. "Enroll in our school, graduate with a high-paying job in hand."

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:40 AM): Jonathan, I think so. And service jobs pay much lower.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:40 AM): I thought the present economy was the service economy

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:40 AM): The only growing areas are health care and pharma/bio areas.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:40 AM): F, we're in transition.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:40 AM): to what?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:40 AM): I keep wondering why information products are booming on the Web

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:41 AM): Pat, I know. It's ridiculous.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:41 AM): So all of a sudden, all these tech related people -- programmers, writers, project managers -- need to find somewhere else to use their skills.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:42 AM): I can't believe the government is allowing foreign tech workers to work here.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:42 AM): Lorilyn - many years ago I came up with the idea of 'personal relations' (as opposed to public relations) - I think in the future we're going to see rich, then middle-class people needing publicists to manage their daily lives/images

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:42 AM): I can't see any justification for that at all. Can you?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:43 AM): Jonathan, that's an interesting idea. But why? Is it because it'll be competitive, and people will need an edge? Sort of an agent to push their resumes?

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:43 AM): Well, Martha Stuart has a publicist. Imagine how much worse off she would be without one.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:44 AM): Jonathan, what time of information products?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:44 AM): Lorilyn - because I suspect that one's personal image will become increasingly important in an image-driven information economy

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:44 AM): Lorilyn - ebooks about marketing, etc.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:44 AM): Jonathan, ebooks about marketing are cheap to create. That's why they've proliferated.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:45 AM): yep, and some people are raking in cash selling em

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:45 AM): Jonathan, why is it "image driven" economy?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:46 AM): Jonathan, I wonder if they're really raking it in. You think?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:46 AM): Lorilyn - it seems to me that we're becoming more and more conscious of how people present themselves, and that the sizzle sells just as much as the steak does. Take a look at the personal grooming market for men in the past 20 years.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:48 AM): (I write science fiction sometimes - I like social trend hypothesizing) :)

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:49 AM): There's an e-book for you, Jonathon - future fictional business trends

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:49 AM): Frederick - I've thought about becoming a trendologist :)

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:49 AM): Jonathan, that's probably true. And look how old people are discriminated against. Old people meaning over 40.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:50 AM): TEN MINUTE WARNING. :)

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:50 AM): Hey I'm well over 40 and I don't feel discriminated against

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:50 AM): Somebody had to do it.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:50 AM): Jonathan, I think I was the first to come up with "online romance" back in 1995. I have the domain. I had to think hard to think about the concept. I love thinking about trends, too.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:50 AM): What is this? Logans Run?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:50 AM): Frederick, you are lucky.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:51 AM): Hey Pat, I wanted to do the ten minute warning. ;)

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:51 AM): You can do the 2-minute warning.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:51 AM): Pat, I'll probably mess it up.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:52 AM): Lorilyn - do any serialized fiction by email? That was my thing in 1998

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:52 AM): So what is everyone going to accomplish this week?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:52 AM): Do you mean do I write it? No. I'm a non-fiction kinda person.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:52 AM): Jonathon - if you do write an e-book about future business trends, it would be a natural for selling off my site. Keep me in mind, Ok?

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:53 AM): Personally, I have to write a proposal for a communications company and then start working on improving my Web sites.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:53 AM): Naisbitt -- remember him, Jonathan? Is he still around? I heard him once at a conference.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:53 AM): Frederick - I will!

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:53 AM): Lorilyn - don't know him

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:54 AM): Then there's Faith Popcorn. She's made a living off identifying trends.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:54 AM): But I haven't heard those two people in a while.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:54 AM): Lorilyn - I enjoyed Popcorn's Dictionary of the Future

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:54 AM): Jonathan, I think it was John Naisbitt. He was a hot guy in identifying trends. Don't know what happened to him.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:55 AM): Jonathan, is that a book or on the Internet?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:55 AM): Pat, do you do PR?

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:55 AM): Popcorn's Web site hasn't been updated in AGES. Reflects really poorly on her - especially the forums

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:55 AM): Lorilyn - it's a book, but you can see excerpts on amazon I bet

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:56 AM): Jonathan. Hmm. Maybe she misidentified trends.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 9:56 AM): Lorilyn - some she did, but nobody gets it 100% right :)

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:57 AM): I need to figure out how to bill clients. If only money were not an issue. How uncomplicated life would be.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 9:58 AM): Maybe I could become a billing coach!

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:58 AM): Lorilyn - What I do is go to networking events, participate in message forums, etc.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:59 AM): Pat, you mean to find clients?

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:59 AM): TWO MINUTE WARNING. :)

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 9:59 AM): Pat, very good. :)

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 9:59 AM): Lorilyn - You asked if I did PR. That's my version of PR

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:00 AM): Lorilyn - You asked if I did PR. That's my version of PR

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:00 AM): Lorilyn - Thanks

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:00 AM): Ok folks, that's a wrap. :)

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 10:00 AM): bye all!

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:01 AM): I guess I'll have to visit your web site. I meant PR for others.

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 10:01 AM): Guess so - you did a good job, Pat

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:01 AM): Thanks.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:01 AM): The rentacoder form didn't work form me. Now all I wrote is gone. Auughh. Never-ending journey.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:01 AM): Bye Jonathan!

Frederick (bspage.com) (9/16/2002 10:01 AM): Thanks guys -see y'all next week.

Jonathan Cohen (writer - jacohen@telus.net) (9/16/2002 10:02 AM): augh - keep trying, Lorilyn :(

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:02 AM): Lorilyn - Oh, I see. The form of PR I handle is Web site-related.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:02 AM): Pat, do you know anyone who does CDONTS forms?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:03 AM): Or for that matter, any web forms/

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:03 AM): I'm getting desperate.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:04 AM): Lorilyn, what kind of web forms are you referring to? Forms that collect information and mail them somewhere or put them in a database?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:04 AM): Hellooooo.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:04 AM): Pat, email at least. Later (or now, depending on cost) database.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:05 AM): I have designed the forms and started the coding using a wizard.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:05 AM): Sure. I can help you with that. What's your e-mail address?

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:05 AM): I have done CGIemail forms in past, but I need CDONTS.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:05 AM): Pat, lorilyn@newsbuzz.com would do it. My budget is miniscule.

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:07 AM): Ok, I'll send you an e-mail.

Lorilyn Bailey (NewsBuzz.com) (9/16/2002 10:07 AM): Wonderful! Bye everyone!

Pat (phardy.com) (9/16/2002 10:08 AM): Bye all. See you next week.

John Charlesworth (BellaCoola.com Professional Web Tracking) (9/16/2002 10:09 AM): See ya!